Curious... What do you think about this?

[fatuglyguy (deleted)]

I was reading an article on Kinsey Confidential a news letter from the Kinsey Institute in Indiana. it states as follows:
Measuring a child's body fat, University of Iowa, 1930s

In the midst of public health panic over obesity, a parallel concern about “fat†girls and their s----lity exists. In particular, the question that appears to be on many researchers’ minds these days is: “Are “fat†girls at higher risk of s----l dysfunction or STI/pregnancy risk than girls of average BMI (body mass index)?†One way that researchers have attempted to answer this question is by searching for statistical correlations between BMI, s----l behavior and self-esteem.

Indeed, several recent studies have focused on the relationship between body image or body size and s----l health, with a special concern around girls and women. For example, the authors of a recent study (Bajos et al., 2010) found links between obesity and “adverse s----l health outcomes†for both men and women, noting that obese women were less likely to access family planning, more likely to have unplanned pregnancies and less likely to consider s----lity an important part of their “personal life balance.†In a June 2010 interview for HealthDay News, Bajos went well beyond the reach of his data to make generalized comments about obese women:

“Being obese has a strong influence on people’s s----l life. Because of social pressure or social stigmatization, obese women are less likely to engage in s----l intercourse and more likely to find s----l partners via the Internet. Because of their obesity, they are not comfortable meeting men through friends, through work, through parties.â€Â

In that same interview, Bajos made the assertion (despite any direct evidence from his data) that:

“a lot of these problems are driven by the stigmatization of obese women [because] these women are more likely to have low self-esteem.â€Â

Beyond this particular study, researchers’ focus on female bodies and s----lity even occurs when larger cross-sectional studies survey both men and women about s----lity and s----l pleasure. Typically such studies describe associations between BMI and s----lity factors as measured by s----l attitude or behavior measure (Addofson et al 2004).

While the BMI measure is ubiquitous as an indicator of health, its measurement problems are numerous. For example, BMI does not account for the ratio of muscle and fat in bodies (e.g. why a bodybuilder or elite athlete could be labeled as overweight or obese) nor does it take into account a number of other important factors related to health beyond height and weight including cholesterol levels, blood pressure and family history of diabetes, all things commonly associated with obesity and poorer health (Burkhausera and Cawley, 2008).

Despite concerns over the adequacy of BMI as an indicator of health, BMI continues to be a popular measure in population-based studies of s----lity, s----l health and obesity. Another recent study that garnered press attention was led by Dr. Margaret Villers of Medical University of South Carolina. The study findings (based on data taken from the CDC’s Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System, a large scale data set that gathers information of youth behaviors ranging from s----l behavior to substance use to violence) were presented at the 2010 ACOG conference in San Francisco under the title “Sexual Behavior in Obese and Overweight Adolescent Females.†The researchers found that overweight and obese girls were more likely to have S-- before the age of 13, have three or more s----l partners during their teen years and were less likely to use contraception. Although the findings have yet to be peer reviewed, or published, the results have been taken up by a number of news outlets and s----l health blogs including the Black AIDS Institute and Kinsey Confidential, a s----l health blog from the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction. Eric Grollman, a sociology doctoral student at Indiana University, had this to say about about the Villers study:

Given the link between weight and attractiveness – a societal standard of beauty that favors skinny bodies over fat bodies – some might find the study’s findings surprising: why are heavy girls having more S-- with more partners? [In a press release from Dr. Villers' university – see Brazell reference below], Dr. Villers and her fellow researchers provide two possible explanations for the difference in s----l behavior among teen girls: development during puberty and self-esteem. The researchers suggest that overweight and obese girls may begin puberty sooner and thus develop faster, which may put them at risk from more pressure from boyfriends and friends to have s--.

Since Villers’ study has yet to be published, reviewing the findings is a bit of a challenge. But the popularity of the initial report of the study by MSNBC reinforces a number of ideas about s----lity and obesity, and especially about the s----lity of girls and women: early puberty means more s----l activity and/or body shame, which leads to s----l pressure from partners. In the press release from her department at the Medical University of South Carolina, Villers points to the need for conversations about s----lity and safer S-- regardless of what “daughters†weigh; at the same time Villers’ work presents a clear message about the dangers of not just female teenage s----lity but in particular of obese female s----lity.

Portrayals of overweight girls and women, both in mainstream media and by many health and s----lity researchers, seem to be making several assumptions. These include perceptions that obese women don’t deserve positive messages about their bodies or that these positive messages can only come from a (male) romantic partner (who is then demonized as pressuring the girl into sex). These messages speak to larger assumptions that obese girls/women are (and perhaps should be?) disempowered in terms of their s----lity.

These simplistic and fat-phobic assumptions point to how research about s----lity is often more productive when it is not limited to simple associations. Instead, qualitative or mixed methods research (where both statistical/survey and open-ended questions are asked of participants) allow for greater understanding of how social context impacts the meanings that girls and women attach to their bodies and their s----l behavior. For example, what kinds of positive or negative messages do overweight or obese girls receive about their bodies from romantic partners, friends, or family? How did those messages make them think about their s----lity, and how do they resist or incorporate these messages into their lives? For that matter, what messages about s----lity or s----l behavior did they receive, and which had the most salience? How did those messages impact their view of their bodies?

While correlational studies will have a continued and important presence in almost all types of research, especially in public health, when the focus is on s----lity or s----l health, perhaps we need to think beyond numbers. In order to better understand how bodies and emotions relate to each other in the context of human s----lity, research about body size and s----lity warrants a more varied approach.

Natalie Ingraham is a doctoral student in sociology at the University of California, San Francisco. She is interested in fat studies, embodiment and human s----lity.

Please let me know what you think about this info, whether you are Femal or Male, dating or not. ok? thanks...

[bbbbready]

`I thinlk it Depends on the person. An obese girl could have more S-- because she has low self esteem and thinks that is the only to keep or get a male's attention. Or she can do the opposite and not want to have S-- at all of she is ashamed of her body. This statement can be true for any girl that has low self esteem or body issues.

[roseheart29 (deleted)]

`Obese girls are not the only females with low selfesteem though...anorexics also can typically be classified as having low self esteem even though they typically are of a normal weight to underweight. So both ends of the female spectrum in weight do usually have low selfesteems...so why is it still more obese/overweight females are more se---lly active than their average to skinny counterparts? ... I noticed only a few places in this "article" that tried to answer that but using mostly guesses instead of data. Such as implying parents focus more on safe S-- talks with their skinny/attractive daughters and dont bother having such talks with their obese/ugly daughters...not saying I believe this correlation but this is what the article implied at one point...but the article also pointed out bigger girls tend to develop earlier saying then they get pressured earlier for S-- than the ironing board females, though the fact bigger girls develop sooner and are pressured for S-- sooner I think would be a huge factor in parents not having the safe S-- talks with them yet (whereas nondeveloped female parents have a longer time period in which to realize they need to have and then have the safe S-- talks...a possible reason completely ignored by the above article). Me being a bigger female most of my life including through puberty I take a bit of offense that they automatically assume obese females have more S-- and more risky S-- due to low selfesteem...some of it may be true of course...but me being bigger, I also know I can have bigger hormone changes at times, so at times I am more hornier than many more average weighted females, so possibly the extra weight can provide a higher hormone inbalance thereby making these overweight females follow through with the extra horniness factor more so than their normal horniness females (also wanna point out the underweight females have an inbalance of hormones making them less h---- and so less likely to engage in any s----l activity even when pressured)...and these chemical inbalances could be a big part of the reason to bigger females having more s--..... I noticed this article didnt mention any kind of study dealing with the chemical side of horniness/sexual activity compared to BMI.
Also, the article mentioned assumptions made in many of the conclusions to the studies done such as majority of society believing skinny to be the desired/considered-pretty weight and therefore trying to reconcile the fact bigger girls had more s--...well the truth is the majority of males prefer a woman with curves (breasts and rear/hip curves to be precise) and not a completely small/skinny/flat female, and many times males are not that picky as long as the female has plenty of curves in those areas, so in truth all the studies that assumed skinny was in with all the population was in large part completely wrong (females usually see completely skinny as the ideal they try to all aim for due to media, but if you wanna know who the guys are more likely to pick to pressure for S-- then you cant take into account hetero female opinions for it)...meaning of course females that are a bit overweight are going to be hit on and pressured for S-- by guys (and duh more so than the underweight ones ever will) since they have plenty of curves to entice them with (though most are too low selfesteemed to realize this as young teens and instead falsely will believe anything a male that is claiming interest in them says...such as believing in love and trusting them more and faster than other females that have higher self esteem and will wait longer to be proved that the male loves them and they can trust them before engaging in S-- and especially risky sex).
I do think young teens that are overweight/obese are lower selfesteemed, many studies have probably proved that, I just believe it since kids are cruel, and at the early ages when overweight get many criticisms to the fact they are bigger than the norm. So I think it should be no surprise that the lower selfesteemed female teens that have the curves to entice the males at those ages are having more S-- with more males and therefore winding up with higher rates of pregnancies, etc. What is surprising is that more focused interventions have not happened yet to try to get these young females to have higher selfesteems about themselves and to educate them in safe S-- practices at the same times....meaning I never heard about bigger girls having the higher rates for more S-- and more teen pregnancies, etc in any of the health classes or safe S-- classes I ever attended.

[fatuglyguy (deleted)]

bbbbready wrote: `I thinlk it Depends on the person. An obese girl could have more S-- because she has low self esteem and thinks that is the only to keep or get a male's attention. Or she can do the opposite and not want to have S-- at all of she is ashamed of her body. This statement can be true for any girl that has low self esteem or body issues.


First off thank you for your input it is deeply appreciated.

[fatuglyguy (deleted)]

roseheart29 wrote: `Obese girls are not the only females with low selfesteem though...anorexics also can typically be classified as having low self esteem even though they typically are of a normal weight to underweight. So both ends of the female spectrum in weight do usually have low selfesteems...so why is it still more obese/overweight females are more se---lly active than their average to skinny counterparts? ... I noticed only a few places in this "article" that tried to answer that but using mostly guesses instead of data. Such as implying parents focus more on safe S-- talks with their skinny/attractive daughters and dont bother having such talks with their obese/ugly daughters...not saying I believe this correlation but this is what the article implied at one point...but the article also pointed out bigger girls tend to develop earlier saying then they get pressured earlier for S-- than the ironing board females, though the fact bigger girls develop sooner and are pressured for S-- sooner I think would be a huge factor in parents not having the safe S-- talks with them yet (whereas nondeveloped female parents have a longer time period in which to realize they need to have and then have the safe S-- talks...a possible reason completely ignored by the above article). Me being a bigger female most of my life including through puberty I take a bit of offense that they automatically assume obese females have more S-- and more risky S-- due to low selfesteem...some of it may be true of course...but me being bigger, I also know I can have bigger hormone changes at times, so at times I am more hornier than many more average weighted females, so possibly the extra weight can provide a higher hormone inbalance thereby making these overweight females follow through with the extra horniness factor more so than their normal horniness females (also wanna point out the underweight females have an inbalance of hormones making them less h---- and so less likely to engage in any s----l activity even when pressured)...and these chemical inbalances could be a big part of the reason to bigger females having more s--..... I noticed this article didnt mention any kind of study dealing with the chemical side of horniness/sexual activity compared to BMI.
Also, the article mentioned assumptions made in many of the conclusions to the studies done such as majority of society believing skinny to be the desired/considered-pretty weight and therefore trying to reconcile the fact bigger girls had more s--...well the truth is the majority of males prefer a woman with curves (breasts and rear/hip curves to be precise) and not a completely small/skinny/flat female, and many times males are not that picky as long as the female has plenty of curves in those areas, so in truth all the studies that assumed skinny was in with all the population was in large part completely wrong (females usually see completely skinny as the ideal they try to all aim for due to media, but if you wanna know who the guys are more likely to pick to pressure for S-- then you cant take into account hetero female opinions for it)...meaning of course females that are a bit overweight are going to be hit on and pressured for S-- by guys (and duh more so than the underweight ones ever will) since they have plenty of curves to entice them with (though most are too low selfesteemed to realize this as young teens and instead falsely will believe anything a male that is claiming interest in them says...such as believing in love and trusting them more and faster than other females that have higher self esteem and will wait longer to be proved that the male loves them and they can trust them before engaging in S-- and especially risky sex).
I do think young teens that are overweight/obese are lower selfesteemed, many studies have probably proved that, I just believe it since kids are cruel, and at the early ages when overweight get many criticisms to the fact they are bigger than the norm. So I think it should be no surprise that the lower selfesteemed female teens that have the curves to entice the males at those ages are having more S-- with more males and therefore winding up with higher rates of pregnancies, etc. What is surprising is that more focused interventions have not happened yet to try to get these young females to have higher selfesteems about themselves and to educate them in safe S-- practices at the same times....meaning I never heard about bigger girls having the higher rates for more S-- and more teen pregnancies, etc in any of the health classes or safe S-- classes I ever attended.

Thank you very much Rose for all you mentioned. and it is deeply appreciated . And though I didn't have anything to mdo with the study I can assure you I will make mention of it to the Kinsey Institute, This may make them do another study to weigh your points into this study. Thanks again