This is pretty deep so enter carefully

[ricofederico (deleted)]

...may I add:

I do not mean this personally, but your posts, southernfinery, do not read well. I - as an individual who enjoys reading, and enjoys logic - find that reading your posts are visually distracting: lack of capitalization, lack of even a minimum of proper grammar, a lack, even, of punctuation!
I saw an inviting title to your post (this is pretty deep), and thought I would be reading or thinking about something pretty deep. In fact, I found something quite contrary to that title: This is chaotic writing and if you REALLY want to discuss this like you say you do, you would do your READERS a favor by writing your material in a manner that is meant to be read. It is completely clear from the sheer volume of words on your posts that you have the time and can take the time to clean up your brainstorming for reading by others, and it is equally clear that you do not care to; consequently, how can you be so abrasive to those who have not taken the time to read all of your run-on sentences? This is lazy writing, so don't be surprised that there may be lazy reading on it. Also, I suggest you read at least a little bit about Logic; even a short online intro course (there are many free articles on the basics of Logic and Critical Thinking) would benefit your debate method substantially. You have committed a series of formal and informal logical fallacies in this post. You committed the Fallacy Of The Appeal To The Middle, The Fallacy Of The Appeal To Common Practice, and others. How can you be serious about this kind of thought, and describe it as "deep", and yet do not bother to do any real research or even utilize critical thinking in your thought process? In short, how can you expect to be taken seriously in your assertions if you yourself do not do so? It seems that your writing is nothing but rage, so if there really is a long-term question here from you, if there really is something here that interests you, why make it look like an emotional outburst? To be taken seriously in any debate, one needs to utilize an objective framework. This means research, logic, critical thinking, listening, and the ability to entertain contrary ideas whose premises are sound.

[southernfinery]

`^^^^^^^^^^^^^lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll..........how many had to help you with that I can only wonder.If this comes across to you as being an attack then let me quote something from a real good book"treat others like you want to be treated".Now go back to your little corner and get with your group of supportors,i.e those that want you to do their bidding,and come again except this time put some heart into it because so far all I can see from your post is alot of superficial nonsense hidden behind what you believe to be an elaborate and well thought out verbal attack.LLLLLLet me add one more thing young man and that is that I forgive you.God Bless you...........

[mizcurious3 (deleted)]

`I thought people were entitled to opinions on forums. I thought we were family, we can be informal. We are people talking, discussing, chit chatting, debating. So why do you, ricofederico think you have the right to be rude to someone that likes to speak their mind? Who cares if her posts don't read right in your eyes!? If we post an answer it's because we understand her. And so what if she puts rage into her posts? (Thought that was an emotion too?) I am so glad southernfinery is being the bigger person about this matter. *sigh* why bring the drama into the happy opininated «= spell check please =» go lucky forum?

Southernfinery, I love your opinions and your posts, it does give people something to ponder about, and although we might not always agree, I am. Very glad you speak your mind, in your own way. We are all individuals after all. I wouldn't wanna read a forum filled with repetitive, monotone responses. So thanks for being you. :)

[andriek]

` I just want to say I agree with southernfinery and my girl Yuli. Plus I like the way you write southernfinery. I mean it is your writing style, we all have one

[ricofederico (deleted)]

:)

[southernfinery]

`thank you mizcurious and andriek for coming to my aid.It means so much to me.I hope all is well with you 2 and pls keep me and cookinbubbles up to date on the progress.Psst no we're not living vicariously through you lol but it does help.gbu

[andriek]

`lol. I am going down tomorrow to get mizcurious3, we are going to spend sat, sun, and mon together.

[cookinbubbles]

`who says we are NOT living vicariously through you guys??
oops, did I say that out loud? LOL
yeah, I am giddy when I saw your photo of you 2 cuddlin' and smilin'....!

[sirhansumransum (deleted)]

I might not be on the right page here but I think the passion and love he felt for her when he covered her eyes, mouth and nose was kind of cowardesss. but as for feeling-some deep passion for the opposite color while raping her is just a little sick. Although I truly think I understand the though behind the post. Maybe in some twisted way the rapist did have feelings for her also but that was the only way he new how to express those feelings.

For all the love that is squandered, I will be there to pick up the peaces.

[southernfinery]

`hi sirhansumransum please forgive my correcting as I know how difficult it is for a man to give an opinion on such a dramatic subject but I need to.The young man I spoke of that covered her eyes and her mouth(to choke her) was the young white man that was inlove with her and he was the one that upon finding out what the others had planned,ran ahead to try to get her to leave with him before they got there.He was trying to get her out the door when the others burst through the door.He covered her eyes so she couldn't see the venom in their souls leaking out through their eyes.He couldn't fight them all off so he focused on her.He cried while he covered her mouth but he would have rather seen her dead then to see her violated by those drunk demons and to have her relive that over and over....

[tsuki]

I was married to someone who believed that a husband forcing himself on his wife was not considered because it was his right and she had no right to refuse him. Needles to say we are no longer married but he chose to enforce his "rights" on me more than once and it was over 2 years after we divorced before I was made to realize that even though it had not been brutally violent I had said no and been forced to do things that hurt me and was in fact considered. I had always associated with violence that involved beatings so it never dawned on me that just saying no and it not being listened too was included in that. I mean after all he was my husband and he wouldn't do that right?..lol boy was I stupid. I have to stay in touch with him because of our son...but even though I have moved on I find it very hard to trust people I am close to.

[fejordan]

Southernfinery,

You've been wonderful to respond to my thread. I would like to return the favor. is a s----l assault, but the primary goal is never sex; it is always about controlling the person, male or female, and degrading them.

Male s----l offenders are most likely men who have had horrible female role models of one sort or another. These women have controlled them, usually mothers, and the child that grew into the rapist uses as a surrogate attack on that woman.

There is much more about the psychopathlogy of the rapist. s----l assault takes many forms, some of which are difficult to identify as s----l assault because they appear to be stabbings &&&.

They should bring back the death penalty for serial rapists, plain and simple. Why should society, and women, have to deal with them when they get out? Castration does not stop male, s----l assault--ever. They don't need -----es to assault a woman.

Disturbing topic, Southernfinery, but all too real. Were I a woman I would wonder, as do you, how it cannot be considered a s----l thing. In the end though, it's more a control and humiliat... thing.

[southernfinery]

`tsuki I am so very very sorry that that happened to you and I am sorry I didn't read your post till today.It must have been extremely hard for you having to look in his eyes day after day knowing there was a monster behind those eyes.I don't know how you dealt with it but I commend you for getting out and away from him.Your mannerisms must have changed drastically after that first assault and I am sure your child picked up on the change and the tension even if he never said anything.You are so brave and I hope you upload a pic so the rest of us can see the brave and beautiful woman that you are.The reason he gave you is actually more common in marriages then alot realize.To this man it has been taught to him that the woman is under his authority and will when she says"I do"but that is the caveman mentality and has little to do with an actual marriage and more to do with a purchase of ownership mentality.I believe every engaged couple should take marriage classes where these kind of subjects can be approached without anger and hostility.It would give alot of ladies insight that is very much needed before the actual ceremony takes place.I think to these men that what they are doing is only about satisfying their hormone surge and they actually can't understand why their"wife"changes towards them afterward.I thank you for sharing your story with us and if you care to,will you please go more into detail about the areas this has caused you such difficulty in like the trust issue.I mean some may think that your trust issue is just directed at men but we know it goes deeper then that so can you tell us how it affects you when your in the shower or when you get in that place of just dozing off.When you go to church or somewhere where you have to sit among others,do you sit with your back to a wall if you can?If there is anything you wish to speak more on please do so.GBU sis.